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  • Serious Torture at Guantenamo Bay

    This is just another example of the SERIOUS TORTURE going on at Guantanemo Bay Detention Center...

    Definitely reminiscent of notorious war criminals...
    Last edited by free thinker; Sun 3 Jul '05, 5:47am.

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    Makes fighting a war for freedom a complete joke doesn't it when they can't provide proper human rights for those that haven't even been proved guilty
    Last edited by bahbah; Sun 3 Jul '05, 7:30am.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by bahbah
      Makes fighting a war for freedom a complete joke doesn't it when they can't provide proper human rights for those that haven't even been proved guilty
      Because they were "terrorists" and were not fighting for any particular country, they are unfortunately not subject to the protections of the Geneva convention.
      :)

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      • #4
        Since when were they convicted "terrorists" ?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by bahbah
          Since when were they convicted "terrorists" ?
          Notice the quotes. What I'm getting at is that they were not fighting for a particular country. Therefore, no Geneva convention protections.
          :)

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          • #6
            Basic human rights should not be revokable under any circumstances, even if you are a convicted terrorist, murder or rapist etc.

            Goverments do not decide guilt, that is for the courts, a judge and a jury.

            For any modern third world country to use such techniques shows complete hypocracy and displays to other countries that as long as whatever you are doing has a purpose which you find important - you can ignore the law and get away with.

            Guantanamo is an absolute disgrace to the US Justice system, America and all those who support them.

            Why should Saddam have been bothered that he is breaking International Law when the United States Goverment does it all the time? Hypocracy personified.
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            • #7
              well lets see in the history there was a time where we took no prisoners would you rather the US just kill them all?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by fire27
                well lets see in the history there was a time where we took no prisoners would you rather the US just kill them all?
                The US can do what they want in their own countrys people but I don't think the US should even go to countrys to hunt people, because whats it got to do with them?

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                • #9
                  Their basic human rights have not been revoked. They have some of the best treatment available, considering the circumstances.

                  People can debate policy all day long, but I have not seen any credible evidence that their basic human rights have been revoked.

                  Considering the circumstances, they are treated very well. Some could argue they are treaded too well.

                  Many times, the media will focus on the negative aspects, and only report that. That does not give an accurate picture. Rather it only gives people that think everybody should be "coddled" a few buzz words to use.

                  Here is some interesting reading that may give some balance to some of the negative press.
                  http://www.talkmilitary.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=1772

                  I am not trying to change your mind, and will not debate this here. I just thought this thead needed a little balance.
                  Glenn

                  Originally posted by Martz
                  Basic human rights should not be revokable under any circumstances, even if you are a convicted terrorist, murder or rapist etc.

                  Goverments do not decide guilt, that is for the courts, a judge and a jury.

                  For any modern third world country to use such techniques shows complete hypocracy and displays to other countries that as long as whatever you are doing has a purpose which you find important - you can ignore the law and get away with.

                  Guantanamo is an absolute disgrace to the US Justice system, America and all those who support them.

                  Why should Saddam have been bothered that he is breaking International Law when the United States Goverment does it all the time? Hypocracy personified.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Martz
                    Basic human rights should not be revokable under any circumstances, even if you are a convicted terrorist, murder or rapist etc.
                    I agree with that as well. Likewise, those of the prisoners have not been significantly breached. In fact, they are even entitled to an attorney, a luxury that few countries will offer.

                    Goverments do not decide guilt, that is for the courts, a judge and a jury.
                    You fail to understand that our system of courts is part of our government. We have three branches of government: executive, legislative, and judicial.

                    For any modern third world country to use such techniques shows complete hypocracy and displays to other countries that as long as whatever you are doing has a purpose which you find important - you can ignore the law and get away with.
                    First off, we are definitively not a "third world country." Do you mean something along the lines of "first-world country"? Also, what techniques are you referring to? Granted there have been some sensational news headlines about the treatment of prisoners at Guantenamo Bay, but the vast majority of them are being treated as humans, and with respect to their rights as such.

                    Being a detention camp, there will always be individuals within the system who believe that the detainees should be subject to various forms of abuse. You will find these types of individuals at every camp at any time in history. Compare the number of cases, though, and you will see that prisoners at Guantenamo Bay are being treated appropriately.

                    Besides, do you honestly believe that we are treating them worse than how they treated our captured?

                    Guantanamo is an absolute disgrace to the US Justice system, America and all those who support them.
                    That's a completely subjective term. If it's your belief, then you've got a right to that.

                    Why should Saddam have been bothered that he is breaking International Law when the United States Goverment does it all the time? Hypocracy personified.
                    Saddam was committing genocide. Need I continue?
                    :)

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                    • #11
                      Their basic human rights have not been revoked. They have some of the best treatment available, considering the circumstances.
                      Desecration of the Koran is widely documented in the UK.
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                      • #12
                        when saddam was killing thousands of innocent people no one gave a damn, ..

                        for all i care they can put a nuclear bomb right in the middle and blow these terrorist supporting countries to hell and get it over with in 1 shot..

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sebe
                          when saddam was killing thousands of innocent people no one gave a damn, ..

                          for all i care they can put a nuclear bomb right in the middle and blow these terrorist supporting countries to hell and get it over with in 1 shot..
                          Are you talking about blowing up America?
                          http://forums.cpfc.org/

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dave#
                            Are you talking about blowing up America?
                            no, just the countries that get in the way.. america doesnt support terrorism.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sebe
                              no, just the countries that get in the way.. america doesnt support terrorism.
                              Thats just stupid, thats how the terrorists think to. Get rid of the US then there won't be hassle but your saying it about them so its all the same. The best would be nuke the world then there would be no squabbling


                              How about you let each country do their own stuff in their own country. No need to go in and get people that blow up china when there not blowing up the USA.

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