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  • Pie
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    Dean C got me exactly

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  • Dean C
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    I think the point pie is making is that the DEC have officially announced they are dying down their marketing campaign for donations, hence perhaps it's time to die down the whole "Lets put this in our footer on every site" campaign

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  • JPT62089
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    what he said LOL

    well said Ted S

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  • Ted S
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    Pie,

    Unless you happen to work for the disaster relief services or reside on their executive finance team I highly doubt you have any clue as to how much money they have or how much is enough. It is certainly possible that such a scenario could occur but highly unlikely. On a basic level you have thousands and thousands of children without parents in countries that are almost all classified as "third world", paying for them to have foster care until they become adults (regardless of what age you set as adult) is right there millions upon millions of dollars. Next you have enormous costs for providing shelter, food and potable water to millions of people across dozens of countries both small and large. This effort has to continue on every day until the basic utilities and shelter can be restored for millions of people. After you fix those small issues you have to decide how much rebuilding is done... do you stop when people can get water from a pipe again? Do you assist in rebuilding homes or public structures when the government can't? Do you provide social services to help people into the future? The fact that this didn't happen to major urban areas is only pure luck. The majority of tsunamis hit other coasts with far more people... if it was your country what would be enough?



    Even if you assume the money collected is enough to cover all this you have only fixed one problem. There are far more issues in the world and last time I checked, organizations like the redcross weren't founded the day after the tsunami and certainly have more issues to worry about then just one catastrophic disaster. If you feel you have donated all you can then good for you, you've done your part and probably more. However there are always issues that could use money and for the most part, it is raised with donations rather then state funding. If you believe the government of any country is handed blank checks then you should avoid donating to organizations who you feel would partake in such actions. That's why so much effort goes into providing a list of reputable organizations and that's why links like the one on vbulletin's site go to more than one such place. Still, if you don't trust the system, ignore the message and move on -- no matter what your own personal beliefs may be it is impossible to say more donations are not needed for this event or all the other challenges facing relief organizations in the world.



    Remember, the more money they get the more rebuilding can happen and there is never "enough" help either monetary or from volunteers. If there was you wouldn’t see children hungry anywhere in the world and no matter what you believe, you really can’t blame a hungry kid for not having any food.



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  • Nemon
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    Originally posted by chrispadfield
    Actually, as I understand it this is why some UK charities are talking about not accepting any more donations, under UK law if a charity accepts money for a certain appeal - it has to spend the money on that appeal. I don't know if that law applies anywhere else though.
    I thought i saw on breakfast TV that they had started ringing people back to see if they could spend the money on other things.. clearly there is too much money to warrant spending on one thing, the one thing people donated money for.

    Apprantly they said 10% took their money back... unless i got the story completly wrong, i wasnt paying attention.

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  • xmitchx
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    Hey, if you don't like the tsunami relief table being there, you can collapse it

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  • chrispadfield
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    If the charity doesn't spend it all on one event, it will use it on the next tragedy or for their ongoing projects.
    Actually, as I understand it this is why some UK charities are talking about not accepting any more donations, under UK law if a charity accepts money for a certain appeal - it has to spend the money on that appeal. I don't know if that law applies anywhere else though.

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  • Wayne Luke
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    The list of charities that the links go to provide worldwide relief for different things all over the world. They are not simply charities created for tsunami relief but have been around for a long time.

    The only money going to affected governments would be the government pledges and loans proposed by various nations around the world. This would most likely be used for rebuilding the fragile economies. Money donated to charities does not end up in government coffers. If the charity doesn't spend it all on one event, it will use it on the next tragedy or for their ongoing projects.

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  • chrispadfield
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    They have more than enough money for what is needed
    This may be true, I doubt it. But have you got some evidence for the statement you can share with us?

    it'd be different if donating extra would goto the victims' families etc to help support them more, but thats not the case. Its going to end up going to the Government and that'll be split up through.... what?; Military amongst other things.
    Are you suggesting money donated to NGOs goes to the government and gets spent on military. This is very bizarre, NGOs almost always handle their own relief operations and it is them spending the money on the ground. Sometimes an NGO will give their money to another NGO if they have the workers on the ground (for example Oxfam gives money to lots of little charities that do micro-managed charity work).

    So again, can you provide some evidence that money given to an NGO (like those linked to on this page) either goes directly to the government, and furthermore how this then gets spent on the military.


    As I understand it, any charity that is asking people to not donate to tsunami relief is not because they have *enough* money, but that proportionally, compared to their other projects they have enough. The worry for the major charities like Oxfam is that every one does their "donating for the year" on this single cause. While clearly a catastrophe, there are many many other causes that major charities desperatly need money for - looking up the figure for the number of children that while die this year through malnutrition and compare to the tsnuami death toll.

    There is never "enough" money to rebuild from such a disaster, but charities don't want their other causes to be forgotten.

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  • Vile
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    Originally posted by Andrew111888
    I'm fully aware that it was there.

    I'm saying "Who cares if vBulletin leaves the link there? They aren't handling the money; it doesn't matter. If the Red Cross happens to have a surplus of funds, I'm sure they'll find a good place for the additional money (if it's not for the Tsunami) and I doubt vBulletin having a link to the donation will make a large contribution to a surplus of money if there is one."
    You're missing the point of the thread, and what Pie is trying to get at. (Even though I disagree with him)

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  • Andrew111888
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    I'm fully aware that it was there.

    I'm saying "Who cares if vBulletin leaves the link there? They aren't handling the money; it doesn't matter. If the Red Cross happens to have a surplus of funds, I'm sure they'll find a good place for the additional money (if it's not for the Tsunami) and I doubt vBulletin having a link to the donation will make a large contribution to a surplus of money if there is one."

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  • Vile
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    Originally posted by Andrew111888
    How does this affect vBulletin at all? They aren't handling any money.
    Take a look at the footer on this site. That's what he is referring to.

    You may have a point Pie, but I for one will keep the link on my site for some time.

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  • Pie
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    This is the "Chit Chat" forums for..... discussions... no?

    I was starting a debate. I wanted to hear other people's arguments, i've only heard people with me on it.

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  • Andrew111888
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    How does this affect vBulletin at all? They aren't handling any money.

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  • Pie
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    I beleive, I could be wrong but they have reached covering damage and as said
    I heard a while ago the Red Cross was going to stop accepting donations for it. This was a while ago though, and I haven't heard anything since.
    Vile, you have actually met me and you know me well... you know that im not a cruel person or unhearted but have strong views. I swear that it'll come back and bite us in the ass.

    I've seen it happen with Charities before.. a certain UK charity, 20 years ago had more cash than they knew what to do with.... so they invested it in FILMS[a gambling choice of invest]. They still to this day ask for more money and have adverts all the time.

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