What do u like from IPB and vBulletin

[babolo]

IPB's style is much better then vb. I also like the registration for ipb 2.1 and everything is so simple.

I like vb because they give you more options for stuff. They provide excellent support and will fix any type of major bugs right away while ipb waits till there next big release to do it.

I am going to get an ipb license for my hosting.

[Quillz]

IPB's style is much better then vb. I also like the registration for ipb 2.1 and everything is so simple.

I like vb because they give you more options for stuff. They provide excellent support and will fix any type of major bugs right away while ipb waits till there next big release to do it.

I am going to get an ipb license for my hosting.

Umm... no. IPS fixes bugs as soon as they are known, as well.

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the "best" thing about ipb is that they seem to read the vb3 suggestion forum and add the feature's that are mostly requested by vbulletin license holders.......(sig limitation options etc. etc.)

[Onimua]

IPB's style is much better then vb. I also like the registration for ipb 2.1 and everything is so simple.

I like vb because they give you more options for stuff. They provide excellent support and will fix any type of major bugs right away while ipb waits till there next big release to do it.

I am going to get an ipb license for my hosting.

Right, but the way IPB does its style, it's a bit more fustrating to skin to get it to look like that. Way too many classes for my taste, especially many can be simplified like vBulletin (which is said to be happening in IPB 3).

Umm... no. IPS fixes bugs as soon as they are known, as well.

But doesn't release them until the next "major" version, or until there are enough complaints about it. I've seen it for myself. Major things, yes usually if oyu're lucky, but minor (but well known and sometimes quite pesky ones) no.

the "best" thing about ipb is that they seem to read the vb3 suggestion forum and add the feature's that are mostly requested by vbulletin license holders.......(sig limitation options etc. etc.)

I've kind of noticed that, actually. I guess it's what happens when you have everything publicly available; not to mention Jelsoft isn't afraid to hide anything. Probably after reading it, the implement it, and then turn around and accuse vBulletin of copying IPB -- yet they refuse to admit that they were, in fact, "influnced" by vBulletin for some time. Bah... I'm not going to get into it, since there's too many "maybe's" in there.

[someuser190826]

I've kind of noticed that, actually. I guess it's what happens when you have everything publicly available; not to mention Jelsoft isn't afraid to hide anything. Probably after reading it, the implement it, and then turn around and accuse vBulletin of copying IPB -- yet they refuse to admit that they were, in fact, "influnced" by vBulletin for some time. Bah... I'm not going to get into it, since there's too many "maybe's" in there.

vBulletin does sometimes hold public meetings where attendance is not restricted.

[Onimua]

vBulletin does sometimes hold public meetings where attendance is not restricted.

Hm, didn't know that. Learn something new every week (I do do days ).

[Quillz]

Right, but the way IPB does its style, it's a bit more fustrating to skin to get it to look like that. Way too many classes for my taste, especially many can be simplified like vBulletin (which is said to be happening in IPB 3).



But doesn't release them until the next "major" version, or until there are enough complaints about it. I've seen it for myself. Major things, yes usually if oyu're lucky, but minor (but well known and sometimes quite pesky ones) no.



I've kind of noticed that, actually. I guess it's what happens when you have everything publicly available; not to mention Jelsoft isn't afraid to hide anything. Probably after reading it, the implement it, and then turn around and accuse vBulletin of copying IPB -- yet they refuse to admit that they were, in fact, "influnced" by vBulletin for some time. Bah... I'm not going to get into it, since there's too many "maybe's" in there.

The staff of IPS have never once accused vBulletin of copying IPB. At least not that I'm aware of. Of course, the members are different story. But then again, everything is inspired by something else. IPB has copied features from vB, vB has copied features from IPB, etc. Nothing wrong with it; makes everything better in the end.

[ManagerJosh]

Actually not entirely true Quillz. I've personally read a few threads myself were Matt has implied that Jelsoft copied IPS. Publicly, such an implication has not been done. Privately, on customer forums, it has.

I thought Matt would never do such a thing, but when I saw it, I was pretty said at the decision to do that.

I respect IPS greatly. The talents of Matt does show in his project. But I think how overall the company is managed, well let's say it leaves much to desire. With their level of high censorship, it reminds me a lot of socialism and communism. Say something bad, you disappeared, never to be heard of again.


While Brinnie does bring up a few interesting points, I believe a few comparisons can not be made.

A good example would be her argument for skinning. While true Invisionize truely does have more styles/skin packs available to download, we must stop and ask why vBulletin has fewer? What about customer testimony from former and current IPB and vB customers that skinning is far easier to do on vBulletin? Perhaps this would be an explaination why people don't need as many styles to download. They merely create the designs they desire themselves, giving themselves a unique look rather than using a pack offered as a download.

Moreover I think there is a misunderstanding at the concept of plugins as well. Plugins are not just a click of a button. It still requires PHP knowledge to produce a plugin. Probably the same amount, if not more.

It's like a hack in itself, but the difference is that it's dynamically entered integrated into the PHP files rather than static, hard-coded, in, traditionally like how's its been for the last several years.

Moreover, A.L.I.C.E isn't new to the vBulletin community. I clearly remember ALICE being with us since January 23, 2003. (See: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showt...ghlight=tombot)

I certainly do admire Dean from Invisionize. You certain describe his characteristics well. But I don't think vBulletin needs just a single "Dean". More like Multiple Deans. I can think of several people who design cool hacks: Xenon, Erwin, Dean C, Zachery, Chen (firefly), hellsatan, Teck, assassingod to name a few.

Featurewise, just because IPB does something doesn't necessarily mean Jelsoft has to do it as well. It's not required. In instances of remotely access avatars, I personally dislike this concept just thinking about it. Honestly it's inviting more trouble. Pains and headaches on the admin part. I agree with what Scott said earlier about remotely accessed avatars ( i can't find that post doh!)

Moderators - Always should look at IPs. I've had several instances where moderators who were able to look at IP addresses were safely able to remove several troublemakers when I was away. Moderators will always be around more frequently. Admins, not really.

CMS, Gallery, Etc., yes great products but you gotta make sure one knows what they are jumping into. In terms of gallery, Photopost and vbAdvanced Gallery controls this market at the moment, and jumping into a saturated market would be suicide. Moreover these programs itself has to remain independent completely. AFAIR, IPS CMS and Gallery are dependent on IPB, which puts the CMS and Gallery as more of a plugin than a stand alone product.

Paid Subscription - Could you look at the vBulletin 3.5 subscription manager before criticizing?


I appreciate you voicing your criticism Brinnie; your opinion is probably well noted, but it could fall on deaf ears, only because it's being portrayed as biased, outdated, pro-IPB sentiment/propaganda, when it isn't.

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The staff of IPS have never once accused vBulletin of copying IPB. At least not that I'm aware of. Of course, the members are different story. But then again, everything is inspired by something else. IPB has copied features from vB, vB has copied features from IPB, etc. Nothing wrong with it; makes everything better in the end.

try to read matt mecham's blog or some threads over at foruminsider........

[Skeptical]

Unfortunately she makes demands not suggestions. We listen to suggestions and are more than likely to implement the good ones. We gloss over demands and they probably won't get implemented.

Tone is everything in how you present something.

A good idea is a good idea. Let's put away our egos and try to listen to the content, not the delivery. Brinnie put in quite a bit of time with that long detailed reply. I'd venture to guess most of us wouldn't even bother.

I've never played with IPB but I do agree with many of the suggested features, such as gallery, shoutbox, attachment thumbnails, etc.

And to the fanboys that just want to flame, instead of doing that why don't you just argue the individual points you don't agree with instead? Yeah it sucks when someone puts down vB, but in a way it's good. That's how improvements come about right?

[Skeptical]

A good example would be her argument for skinning. While true Invisionize truely does have more styles/skin packs available to download, we must stop and ask why vBulletin has fewer? What about customer testimony from former and current IPB and vB customers that skinning is far easier to do on vBulletin? Perhaps this would be an explaination why people don't need as many styles to download. They merely create the designs they desire themselves, giving themselves a unique look rather than using a pack offered as a download.

I'm only guessing, but I think that's due to a difference in culture, free vs. paid, as mentioned. Unfortunately there isn't much you can do about that, unless vB were to go free.

It's like IIS vs. Apache, Windows vs. Linux. Whenever I need something, there's a free component for Apache/Linux. The same thing is often not found with Windows/IIS, and if it is, it's almost ALWAYS a pay-for-use product.

[Onimua]

A good idea is a good idea. Let's put away our egos and try to listen to the content, not the delivery. Brinnie put in quite a bit of time with that long detailed reply. I'd venture to guess most of us wouldn't even bother.

I've never played with IPB but I do agree with many of the suggested features, such as gallery, shoutbox, attachment thumbnails, etc.

And to the fanboys that just want to flame, instead of doing that why don't you just argue the individual points you don't agree with instead? Yeah it sucks when someone puts down vB, but in a way it's good. That's how improvements come about right?

Actually, presentation is a very important key when it comes to giving an idea or a suggestion, and just as much is interpretation. Would you rather be willing to listen more to someone who starts with "Dear vBulletin Developers," or "OMG there is so much **** missing from vBulletin and it must be in there!!!!"

The developers listen to well-presented, thought out, and well-written idea over demands. While Brinnie does bring up some good points, just the way it is put out and, as it is also important, perceived by other people just comes off as rude and wanty.

vBulletin does have its flaws, but that's to be expected; just look at them (no, not overlook them), bring it to the developers with an idea of how to make osmething better, and see where it goes. Scott (I believe it was him) has already mentioned that there will be new products coming from Jelsoft, and the steps taken with vBulletin 3.5 (as well as the new Product Manager) is a sign of that; they are listening. Might be a bit slow for our needs and wants, but it's getting there. vBulletin didn't get where it is overnight, now did it?

[brinnie]

IPB's style is much better then vb.

Maybe easier to manage, but I think it;s boxey and ugly.

[kman2]

Things I like about vB:
more useful options
MUCH better skinning system -- IPB's skinning system is crazy
better implementation of AJAX and other features like quick edit
RTE actually works

Things I like about IPB:
topic multi moderation
warning system
quote inside of quote
multi-quote

Overall, vB gmv. IPB has some cool unique features, but vB has all the essentials that IPB lacks.

[Quillz]

Things I like about vB:
more useful options
MUCH better skinning system -- IPB's skinning system is crazy
better implementation of AJAX and other features like quick edit
RTE actually works

Things I like about IPB:
topic multi moderation
warning system
quote inside of quote
multi-quote

Overall, vB gmv. IPB has some cool unique features, but vB has all the essentials that IPB lacks.

IPB's rich-text editor works fine. Make sure you have it turned on... It works exactly the same as vB's...