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Originally posted by MetalGearMaster
I'd like to delete the coppa group, and the banned group shouldnt be a group, it should be just an option.
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You have group defaults, per forum, inherited and a huge forum and group list. When all the information isnt immdiatly available on the screen you have to scroll to get the whole picture, it also makes it a little more difficult to manage. On some large forums we had i was going to port to vB, i took one look at the hierarchical forum and group nightmare and gave up. The page took a while to render too. We had 100+ forums and 30+ groups and inheritable permisions like it was in vB wouldnt of helped much, once the settings were applied it wasnt immediatly obvios what was set where.
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I disagree on the banned usergroup part.
Banned users might not be used the actually "ban" users like you're using the system and should allow for customised "permissions" as per a usergroup.
A banned user for example, might not be able to create threads, but still reply. They may not be able to reply, create threads, vote, etc, but still view.
They may even be allowed to post but have their posts moderated.
An "option" wouldnt provide this functionality
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I hate IPBs admin cp. I'm not used to it. The only thing from IPB I like is the quote box
Let the flames begin.Comment
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I'll go out a limb and say that banning usualy involves removing a members access to your forums entirly. If you really wanted to ban them from doing certain things you could always create a quasi-banned group and use that.Originally posted by merkI disagree on the banned usergroup part.
Banned users might not be used the actually "ban" users like you're using the system and should allow for customised "permissions" as per a usergroup.
A banned user for example, might not be able to create threads, but still reply. They may not be able to reply, create threads, vote, etc, but still view.
They may even be allowed to post but have their posts moderated.
An "option" wouldnt provide this functionality
To me it would just seem simpler to click "ban" next to a users name and not have to worry about groups. I mean, you can always leave the ban group alone and just know it has no access, but then i have to look at it on the forums permisions page along with the coppa group, another 200+ lines on the forum permsisions page for groups i really dont want.
If the permsions page was sorted then it would be less of an issue.Comment
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Oh, the only thing good about IPB was it was free, but IPS pissed that away, so IPB can no longer hold a candle to vBulletin.Originally posted by Mark.B
I hate IPBs Admin CP too, it's too hard to navigate crossOriginally posted by LurkI hate IPBs admin cp. I'm not used to it. The only thing from IPB I like is the quote boxComment
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Originally posted by James Kojiro
I agree but that Permission Manager is just nice
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OK well my earlier post in this thread was a bit sarcastic and childish so I'll try to do a bit better.
I've actually got a beta version of IPB 2 running, it is there solely to allow us to run an ibProArcade as well as a v3arcade. What have I found? Well, it's actually a reasonably competent piece of software. Generally people seem to either like IPB layouts and functions or vB ones, for me it's always been vB all the way but it's rather like the old Burger King/McDonalds debate....
The problem for me is in attitudes. People associated with IPB communities always seem to come across as very arrogant. If you have to contact such people, be they board admins, hack authors or even IPB staff, you just get sarcasm and arrogance in replies, eg "well seeing as you have pestered me with your non-issue here's the solution, next time read the manual", that sort of thing.
It is an attitude which seems to pervade almost everything connected with IPB. My best guess as to why this is, is that IPB used to be free, so loads of kids used it, and this sort of attitude is typical of teenagers who get into perceived 'positions of power', such as board admin, hack author or support person.
I am sorry to the many genuine teenagers who do things professionally as by no means everyone is like that, I used to get pretty good support from XMB when I ran that software and many of their support people are teenagers, but with IPB it seems to be a mindset.
Perhaps part of the thinking behind going paid-for is to start to weed that side of things out. I can only hope so for their sake.
IPB's support cannot hold a candle to what is available over here, which is first class and professional in every way, those of us who have similar standards on our own boards really appreciate that, which is partly why my licence will be renewed when it expires on 1st Feb.
Overall though, I consider that IPB is a competent piece of software and, although I prefer vBulletin, IPB's continued presence and success is vital, as healthy competition keeps both products on their toes.MARK.B
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vBulletin Lacking a lot of features of IPB 2.x
I have both IPB 2.x and vBulletin 3.0.7.
I think there are many features in IPB 2.x that are not in vBulletin 3.0.7. One annoying thing in vBulletin is adding moderators. We can't add a group moderator. We only can add moderator one by one. It's a very tedious thing to do if you have a big forum. If you use IPB you'll understand what I mean.
Permission for posting HTML in vBulletin is not elaborate and seems to be useless. I mean there should be two permissions for posting HTML. One is for the forum itself and the other one is based on the user group. By doing so, we can allow some groups to post HTML but not for other groups.
The template system in vBulletin is pretty bad because it relies on "eval". It actually slows down the forum a lot. It would be better if they can come up with a template system without using "eval".
Overall, I believe vBulletin is still better. But it would be much better if vBulletin can keep up with its competitors (IPB and phpBB Olympus) features.Comment
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Agreed. It is very tedious to add moderators on big forums. And to make things worse, when a moderator leaves, you have to remove him/her from each forum he/she moderates.Originally posted by Love VBulletinLet the flames begin.Comment
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I prefer vBulletin, but I will agree that the permissions system is somewhat complicated and at the very least, very tedious to work with if you have lots of forums and subforums and many things to customize. Everything else is great though...no major complaints.
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The permissions system can be complicated, but I'd rather have all the permission settings that vB has then the fewer that IPB has.Comment
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Once your permissions are setup, you never have to touch them again though. vBulletin has designed their group policy very nicely.Comment
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IPB looks like a very good piece of software that deserves to be supported by regular income. Now that it isn't free, hopefully customer support is better. The main thing is they were smart and made themselves compatible with a very important piece of business software, SQL Server. This is why it looks like I'm going to have to go with them over vBulletin (If not, FuseTalk).
Our Forum isn't an island, it is an integrated effort and we use SQL Server to manage every other apect of our client's Web sites including users, permissions, content management, etc. vBulletin's refusal to support other DBs makes it a very expensive and awkward integration, at least for businesses.
It is really an odd business model as supporting customers who make money integrating their product in a business environment would seem to me to be more lucrative ultimately than supporting those used to a free ride. I know for my part vBulletin is missing out on at least 10 potential licences.Comment
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I prefer IPB - coding in vBulletin is very messy! Not full use of class's and functions!
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I like vBulletin more
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