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  • evhwg
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    ?

    suppose to have great permission system and no viruses because of that.









    the rectory school

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  • Jerry
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    Originally posted by squall14716
    The bottom line is, if you are happy with Windows, stay with Windows unless you want to play around with Linux for some reason or another.
    I disagree. I believe its all a case of what the job in hand is.

    Should I commute 50 miles a day to work on a push bike ? I might be happy with it though it would make more sense to do it on a motorbike.

    Its only good practice to evaluate all the options before making a decision.
    Last edited by Jerry; Mon 1 Nov '04, 2:19am.

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  • Jerry
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    Originally posted by Dave#
    eh? You lost me sorry.
    Zak was talking about running photoshop on linux, I said he could either use gimp on linux or photoshop on linux via wine.
    Last edited by Jerry; Fri 29 Oct '04, 2:50am.

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  • Martz
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    want to try linux?

    like squall said, it depends on the distro.. .so..

    Knoppix - good for testing out your hardware to see if most things are compatible. This distro runs from your CDROM and doesn't write to the hard disk at all. You then reboot and go back to Windows/installed operating system. Has KDE desktop and lots of applications preinstalled.

    Mandrake - Known as an easy distro to get up and running with plenty of eye candy and themes straight out of the box. Requires a slightly faster machine to run things at a nice speed, in my opinion.

    Fedora Core/Redhat
    - As one of the most popular distos of years, there are plenty of people who use Fedora for many uses ranging from desktop to server. A big name brand, with optional comercial support to help you.

    Suse - Featuring an easy to use installer called YAST - the Suse linux distros are certainly picking up lots of speed since Novell bought the company. They are very innovative in their products, trying to offer Linux based alternatives to popular proprietary solutions such as Microsoft Exchange Server in the form of Suse Open Exchange Server, which has now been released under the GPL. They also offer comerical support in a similar way to Redhat.

    Debian - Known for it's reliability and stability. Debian typically isn't a feature driven distro, aimed more towards the server markets where things are stable and proven, rather than cutting edge. Has a nice package manager called apt which makes it easier to install new applications and dependencies.

    Gentoo - My personal favourite. Has a superb software/application system similar to FreeBSD Ports. The main difference with Gentoo compared to most other distros is that you compile everything from the original source code, rather that just installing the a binary from RPM such as Fedora and Mandrake etc. Also one of the best support communities I have seen, I believe they run one of the biggest phpBB boards too.

    Slackware - Known to be the hardcore linux disto of choice, perhaps prior to Gentoo. Slackware is built to be one of the most "UNIX Like" distros out there, where "Simplicity and stability are paramount", to quote their site. I can't say I have ever used it, but many of my friends run it and are quite happy.


    The main thing you have with Linux - is choice. There are hundreds more distros out there for you to download and evaluate.

    And if you really do not want to leave your Windows environment, you can always run VMWare Workstation and test out Linux distro right there on your desktop.

    You may find Linux doesn't meet your requirements - not today anyway. The millions of developers working on Linux itself, and the associated open source applications move so fast that you may revist a project a few weeks later to find it has had a spurt of growth, and now does what you need it too. Keep an eye on projects such as this with Freshmeat to see new releases of all sorts of software, including GPL style licences.

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  • Matthew Gordon
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    It depends on the distribution.

    The bottom line is, if you are happy with Windows, stay with Windows unless you want to play around with Linux for some reason or another.

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  • briangumble
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    Originally posted by Erwin
    For web servers I've always used Linux. I guess I like the command prompt from my DOS days.
    command prompt, I never used Linux before, so does that mean it would be hard to use?

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  • Erwin
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    For web servers I've always used Linux. I guess I like the command prompt from my DOS days.

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  • Hooper
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    Originally posted by Zachery
    AFAIK wine wont run Photoshop.
    Crossover Office is Wine. It runs Photoshop 5,6, and 7.

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  • Dave#
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    Originally posted by Jerry
    I use it daily, though the point was about being on a *nix platform not running gimp on windows.
    eh? You lost me sorry.

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  • Jerry
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    Originally posted by Dave#
    I don't believe GIMP works too well in windows.

    The only application I miss(ed) was Dreamweaver, I never enjoyed wine and whilst nvu is good it has some serious flaws imvho.
    I use it daily, though the point was about being on a *nix platform not running gimp on windows.

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  • Zachery
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    AFAIK wine wont run Photoshop.

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  • Hooper
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    Originally posted by filburt1
    1. For home desktop use, nobody would. It's far too complex, supports few too devices, and has far too popular applications.
    2. It is a completely different technology. One key aspect is that it is strictly user-based (unlike Windows which is still only based loosely around users), which happens to make it more secure when properly configured.
    3. You can install emulators such as Wine or virtual machines such as VMware to run many Windows programs--and in some case, Windows itself--within Linux.
    1. Not true whatsoever. Many use linux for the desktop and none other. I prefer a slackware or freebsd desktop. Both are excellent choices. You can monitor traffic and configure your services easily. You can install various excellent firewalls and have a great time with the huge assortment of great open source software to work with.
    2. The technology is not completely different. The kernel in both windows and linux revolves around hardware technology in which it sits on. The current kernel etc.. supports most of the hardware you will purchase. Drivers are far from an issue. A google search for any driver that you need will most likely produce results.
    3. Yes you can install vmware, Netraverse products, or wine based (crossover office) programs and run Win progs. Tried them all with somewhat success. Not perfect by any means however. An example would be programs like win4lin that would require kernel patching and a recompile for slackware. That alone might be considered challenging for a new Linux user albeit recompiling a kernel is fairly straight forward as of the latest series. I usually always run the latest kernel anyhow on workstations. Other distributions allow you to download a pre-compiled kernel for use with Win4Lin.

    To say "nobody" would use a nix on the desktop is not correct. In fact "many" do. I've personally used linux on the desktop for quite some time and being an old timer when it comes to dos/windows etc.. I find Linux or FreeBSD to be quite able to handle most tasks that you would perform in Windows in a better, much more stable and secure way and with far more control over how and what a machine does. I prefer a dedicated Monowall (FreeBSD) box for a gateway with 8 tulip eth ports (2- 4 port cards) for multiple networks / firewall (default to deny), manually configured routing. Web server sits off on a DMZ and runs Linux, workstations and laptops run either Slackware or FreeBSD.

    Sure it's not "all" point and click . But it "is" an alternative to MS and does a fine job at that. In many ways, far better or I wouldn't use it. Before windows was dos. I was used to knowing every dos command and doing everything from a prompt. There was no windows. Linux/FreeBSD/Unix is no more difficult than dos was in it's day. If you don't mind a prompt every once in a while, knowing a bit about what you are intending to do, you will have no issues learning. It's really not all that difficult. The installers for all distributions have came along way. If you can do fundamental hardware/software setups such as partitioning a drive, the installers will most likely format in your choice of filesystems automatically. This in itself is far easier than that of the old dos days when you had to fdisk partition and format systems disks by hand.

    I agree with Dave (posted above) about Dreamweaver. I too like Dreamweaver and have tried alternatives. None match as of yet what Dreamweaver does on Windows for a Unix equiv. I also tried Nvu and found it to be less pleasant than a mild heart attack. Hopefully soon, we will have a decent wysiwyg xhtml compliant editor. Right now I use Bluefish. Gimp does allright but I still prefer Ulead Systems PhotoImpact. I've been able to get this to run on linux however. So not much of an issue there. I've been able to get Dreamweaver to run under wine. But not to great satisfaction.

    Have I been virused/trojaned on Windows machines? Absolutely, and quite a few times at that over the years. Have I been cracked or rooted on Unix? Absolutely I have. I do however believe Unix to be a more acceptable environment to secure, patch, update vulnerable software and an easier environment in which to deal with security issues.

    But then again, in my early tech days I sniffed and inhaled way to much solder smoke to really give any great advice. :=) Windows is Windows, Unix is Unix. I prefer the latter of the two myself.
    Last edited by Hooper; Fri 29 Oct '04, 11:55am.

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  • Dave#
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    Originally posted by Jerry
    Either use gimp or could use wine to run the windows version. http://www.winehq.com/
    I don't believe GIMP works too well in windows.

    The only application I miss(ed) was Dreamweaver, I never enjoyed wine and whilst nvu is good it has some serious flaws imvho.

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  • Jerry
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    Either use gimp or could use wine to run the windows version. http://www.winehq.com/

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  • Zachery
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    What do you mean? O.o its really not that hard. Out of most of my work the only thing i really cannot cary over well is Adobe Photoshop.

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