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  • #31
    Originally posted by Zachery
    Ive seen people make tables out of divs for some crazy reason
    You know, I saw people doing that for a while too and I was confused as to why. I kept thinking I was behind on my HTML and this was the new way to do it >.<

    MGM out

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Shining Arcanine
      Unfortunately, the most used browser in the world doesn't have a modern rendering engine. The mozilla foundation is beginning to resolve that issue through.
      MSIE has enough CSS support to make a fully functional three-column layout. In my opinion, that's not half bad. MSIE has bad support compared to Mozilla, but it isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. If you're proficient with CSS, it isn't that hard to cater to IE, especially when the majority of your users will be using IE.
      http://www.webtrickscentral.com/images/wtcsig.jpg

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      • #33
        I was browsing around and then it dawned on me this site was using a tableless design...hahaha another sims fansite.

        So far, in my opinion, it has the best example of a tableless design

        http://www.thesimsresource.com
        ManagerJosh, Owner of 4 XenForo Licenses, 1 vBulletin Legacy License, 1 Internet Brands Suite License
        Director, WorldSims.org | Gaming Hosting Administrator, SimGames.net, Urban Online Entertainment

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        • #34
          Any plans to take vBulletin in this direction?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by jamslam
            MSIE has enough CSS support to make a fully functional three-column layout. In my opinion, that's not half bad. MSIE has bad support compared to Mozilla, but it isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. If you're proficient with CSS, it isn't that hard to cater to IE, especially when the majority of your users will be using IE.
            Have you used CSS in your webpages and if you have, would you post a few examples of your most advanced work?

            Originally posted by PBChannel
            Any plans to take vBulletin in this direction?
            That will probably happen when the majority of internet users run a web browser with a modern CSS rendering engine.

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            • #36
              www.kurafire.net

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              • #37
                Originally posted by PBChannel
                Any plans to take vBulletin in this direction?
                Last time I checked, vB was coded properly (well... to fit XHTML 1.0 Transitional... because of the target attribute, yes?)...

                Originally posted by ShiningArcanine
                Have you used CSS in your webpages and if you have, would you post a few examples of your most advanced work?
                http://www.webtrickscentral.com/index.php

                http://www.webtrickscentral.com/stuf...olumn_dtd.html (basically the same as above, but this is the stripped down version, anyway).

                http://www.webtrickscentral.com/stuf..._dropdown.html (bah... requires javascript in MSIE... i made a HTC file to simulate :hover for anything in IE... i wouldn't use this in production, but nonetheless, it's kinda cool)
                http://www.webtrickscentral.com/images/wtcsig.jpg

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by jamslam
                  Last time I checked, vB was coded properly (well... to fit XHTML 1.0 Transitional... because of the target attribute, yes?)...
                  I think he is referring to tableless design which would save a good deal of bandwidth.

                  Originally posted by jamslam
                  http://www.webtrickscentral.com/index.php

                  http://www.webtrickscentral.com/stuf...olumn_dtd.html (basically the same as above, but this is the stripped down version, anyway).

                  http://www.webtrickscentral.com/stuf..._dropdown.html (bah... requires javascript in MSIE... i made a HTC file to simulate :hover for anything in IE... i wouldn't use this in production, but nonetheless, it's kinda cool)
                  I like how you padded your CSS. I see that you spent time hacking it through, which shouldn't have been necessary.

                  The width of the menus in your sidebar is incorrect in IE through. It is minor but it is something I would be banging my head over if you was you.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by MrNase
                    Well not all tableless designs look the same

                    You are right, there's a clear trend to those kind of websites but that has nothing to do with tableless. Using layers to build a website is so much more flexible.

                    check out www.csszengarden.com .
                    You'll be surprised how different a website could look like with just another stylesheet.
                    HOLY CHEA~!!! I'm convinced! This winter, I'll learn how to do tableless designs! OMG, SO AMAZING!
                    Best Regards,
                    Andy Huang

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                    • #40
                      Completely tableless: http://www.bearshare.com/index.htm (just this one page, not the entire site.) Even the drop-shadow page border uses no tables and no images. Works in IE6, Gecko-based browsers (Moz/Firefox), and Opera (with slight breakage in Opera). I'm working when I can to make the rest of the site tableless.

                      Tableless design can be a challenge, but once you get the hang of it, it's not a big deal. In fact, it's easier on the head than tables.
                      ~ Life isn't always fair, but you can be. ~

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                      • #41
                        I personaly, do not see vbulletin EVER going tableless, at least as of current, There are a very who can do very well designed full CSS tableless designs, but that is not true for all users and all browsers

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by cbiweb
                          Completely tableless: http://www.bearshare.com/index.htm (just this one page, not the entire site.) Even the drop-shadow page border uses no tables and no images. Works in IE6, Gecko-based browsers (Moz/Firefox), and Opera (with slight breakage in Opera). I'm working when I can to make the rest of the site tableless.

                          Tableless design can be a challenge, but once you get the hang of it, it's not a big deal. In fact, it's easier on the head than tables.
                          I agree, after working with tableless I've changed my notion of it. I designed my own tableless "skeleton" of sorts ( found here: www.forevergaming.com/hosted/css ) and although it's a bit of work to get it working properly on all browsers, it's still easier to work with than multiple tables nested within one another (albiet, I don't have to worry much about browsers if i use tables )

                          MGM out

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Zachery
                            I personaly, do not see vbulletin EVER going tableless, at least as of current, There are a very who can do very well designed full CSS tableless designs, but that is not true for all users and all browsers
                            Would Jelsoft consider bundling IE7 with vBulletin:

                            http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/

                            That should take care of most of the CSS problems.

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                            • #44
                              While the browser aspect is part of it, we still need to take into consideration users who know less about (X)HTML / CSS and they should be able to modifiy vbulletins templates without much diffuculty.

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                              • #45
                                Assuming the templates are well written chances are they won't need to modify templates as the only thing they should have to modify is the CSS which allows so much to be done very easily.

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