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  • Alien
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    Might want to check that path (or that t3 lol).

    I just cleared cache, rebooted (just for the heck of it) and went to the forums index page (our heaviest size wise).. It loaded everything from scratch in under 3 seconds on a cablemodem (and two clicks of refresh in IE after another cache clear yielded 2.5). While I agree with you that trimming can certainly be made of course and will keep it all in mind as we venture into the future.

    The idea about the contests isn't half bad, since I think heavily customized and graphic-heavy forums against sites that may have 10 times more content but nothing customized whatsoever has always been an odd things that existed in the contests.

    Some are not going for millions of posts or running specific sites as 'businesses' and already have a decent following that makes site owners happy. While an 'expert' might point out what an ideal load speed might be, that does not nessessarily adhere to every website or audience. Again I have to point out, and I'm sure you will agree, some people like such sites and some people don't. That's why our website was to contain 3 skins: 1 heavy, 1 medium, and 1 light. While it would probably have been preferrable to launch the medium first of course, it didn't quite turn out that way but we'll offer a choice to our audience as quickly as we can because we've always cared and included them in our decisions.

    Thanks for the feedback!
    -Jason

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  • AWS
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    OK. Lets add a little constructive criticism. You site loads 32 graphics on the index alone. It took over 10 seconds to load on my T3. Break that down and it would take over 2 minutes to load on 56K, which BTW is what the majority of people still use to connect. How many people would wait around for a minute or more for a page to load?
    Your index page is 176K. That's huge to load when experts believe that no page should be more than 10K for fast loading and to keep a user interested in the site.
    Don't get me wrong I think your site and the rest of the heavy graphics sites that enter every month are nice looking, but, people just won't stick around to join the discussions.
    I like your community. I enjoy reading the topics on your board. I'm not a member, just a lurker.
    A small header and footer graphic does add to a site. Graphics for every table and a huge bg graphic don't do anything except slow a page down and drive away guests.
    Take a look at the 1 million posts thread and show me one site that has a huge amount of graphics. All of them load very fast and most are just color changes from the default vb style with small header graphics. There is a reason why they have millions of posts. They load fast and users stick around.

    Every month I participate by voting in the competition. I view every site. I vote for the site that snaps up in my browser and appeals to my eye. Every month there is at least one site like http://www.dab-online.net/forum. Looks great and loads fast. Unfortunately they get no votes other than mine. The reason for this is because everyone looks at the eyecandy.
    Maybe it's time to have 2 board of the months contests. One for the designers to nominate the sites they did and one for the sites that offer a great community with a good low graphic design.
    Better yet lets have a board of the month which focuses on community atmoshere and general look and feel of a site and another called design of the month that focus on the heavy graphics sites. When you put the 2 together the eyecandy site will beat out a great community every time. This IMO is an injustice.
    Last edited by AWS; Sat 9 Aug '03, 8:40am.

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  • Alien
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    Hey,

    Here he admits a post in which was made to rally votes "irrespective of" who they vote for. Of course, it's posted on that site and people who are members will vote for it plain and simple as diplomatic as he tried to make it sound it's still rallying.

    http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showp...2&postcount=45

    Anyways, since things have gotten out of hand, AlienSoup.com has decided to withdraw from the contest so this thread can move forward with no ill will. We just believe it to be the right thing to do. We understand fully that there are 22 days left in this month's contest, but have decided that it's not worth the stress and continued downfall of this thread so I do it out of respect for my website, and vbulletin.com's website and all those involved. Thank you for your understanding.

    Best wishes for all those remaining, and a special thank you all who have supported us by either voting for us, posting constructive comments, or being concerned overall about the integrity of the contest. It won't go unnoticed.

    Regards,
    -Jason

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  • Alien
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    AWS: In every contest, all you appear to post is how much you loath graphics (and in the rules, which I'm sure you've read you're supposed to give constructive suggestions etc. to be helpful which all you seem to want to point out on your personal mission is how heavy everything is with no helpful "meat" whatsoever) and vote for any 'out-of-the-box' design with barely any customization or time put into it whatsoever. While that's not *needed* for a successful site, and has nothing to do with great content I've noticed alot of boards have changed the colors and that's it and I hardly see any work put into it whatsoever except alot of advertising and luck.

    You also compared what was done during nomination period to the actual voting (one of our designers nominated us, that was hardly 'rallying' in any form) however in almost every contest either the creator or an admin nominates a board (and if this bothered you in some way, then you'll have to pull your vote on many a previous contest of those you voted for). I've never nominated my board (in 2-3 years of this contest) and was pleasantly surprised when someone did. The admins here at no time have ever rallied whatsoever, or asked to even be nominated quite frankly. Only a few friends of ours knew about the contest from off-board conversations with me and decided to vote in our favor and I thank them. I never did any icq/aim/emails/board/sig/etc. rallying at any time, and others have made posts on other sites about it.

    You also commented on how slow their site is in general terms in which you've used for mine. I assure you we not only load quicker, but use a significant amount of enhancements to speed things up as previously mentioned in this thread (some of it custom from programmers at vb.org) including a well configured and tweaked dedicated server. I've noticed that my site loads faster for me on a cablemodem/t1/dsl faster than some sites here with absolutely no customization! (1.5-2.5 seconds). It is significantly faster than vbulletinclub.com as well.

    You've also hinted that "the loudest are the same ones who buddied up". This is inaccurate. You'll noticed some significant voices on this forum (who also never voted for me such as DirectPixel, xiphoid, Attrox) believed this contest was suffering (let me know if you want examples cited), not just some buds of mine. Aside from Xelation and d2alio, I have no personal friendships or affiliations with anyone here who has voted for me and posted that they have done so. None.

    Lastly, you said above, "Community matters, looks dont. My site is butt ugly, but, it has 400 online all the time. If looks mattered it would be dead." To me that's untrue, if it's within your power to make a place look attractive in ADDITION to providing interesting conversations and caring about your membership etc it *does* matter and it shows something about the staff. Do you honesly think that if a site just added an attractive low-graphics header and footer with a nice flow and quick speed like 5-10k total (not all the crazy table work and all that I use) that the site's users wouldn't enjoy the site even MORE than they already might have (as long as it does not impact them)? Anyone opening up a business wouldn't want to open with a dilapitated storefront, or one that's identical to the neighbors. You do something even small (if it's within your power like I said) to make a good first impression (doesn't have to be heavy whatsoever like mine, I run other sites without heavyness) and look like you put some work into it. I think the best sites out there are 'happy-medium' sites that put some work into it, but that does not pain a dialup user whatsoever. I've seen very few examples of that in this thread (yes, including mine until my low-graphics skin is finished).

    Okay, I'm off my soapbox. You provide a great resource for your users (although I had a hard time not believing I was on vbulletin.com and trying to "get back to your site" while reading a bit lol), and I wish you all the best. "Allah willing".
    Last edited by Alien; Sat 9 Aug '03, 7:51am.

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  • AWS
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    Croft, the voting results don't mean anything. People join and become an active part of a community because of the content and atmosphere, not the looks. Yours looks great. This competition means nothing. It used to when it first started.
    Community matters, looks dont. My site is butt ugly, but, it has 400 online all the time. If looks mattered it would be dead.

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  • greatxp
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    الكهف مهما كان الطقس مريض الحضارات هو العلاج انظر للتصويت

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    hi there
    for my dear alkahf
    by goodwilling we will win


    2 care 2 share 2 alyaws BE There
    Greatxp

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  • montda
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    Originally posted by alamuae
    forum: www.vbulletinclub.com/index.php

    php-nuke 6.7: www.vbulletinclub.com

    All the best: arabic translate. templates. styles. and support
    the style is good but i see it the best of all styles here

    it get my vote

    so good luck to vbulletinclub in this vote

    Last edited by montda; Sat 9 Aug '03, 5:17am.

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  • alkahf
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    يا إلهي
    أيها الناس أرجوكم توقفوا عن التصويت للنادي
    هذا يكفي حتى الآن
    لا أريد الاستمرار في هذا السباق في هذا الطقس المريض

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  • croft
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    Well according to the votes here it seams i have a load of work in front of me to make our forum a bit more atractive. =(
    To bad.

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  • Dean C
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    As Scott has said twice already in this thread. There will be an investigation into the rallying for votes claims but as it stands all the votes are legitimate and I believe that this constant flurry of posts trying to incriminate vbulletinclub is ruining this month's competition.

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  • Vile
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    Originally posted by AWS
    I find it increasingly funny that the ones shouting the loudest are the same ones that buddy up to nominate a friends site and then rally support for that forum when the vote starts.
    Without mentioning any names you know how it goes. Member A comes on and nominates friend X or designer Y's customers site. Member B says "yea that one rocks, I second.". Member C , "I third it". Then a few others come along on comment on how "cool" the site is. Then when the vote comes you see the same group vote for the same site and that site wins.
    Problem this time is someone else is bringing on friends to vote and because the clans board is getting beat we are seeing allegations of cheating.
    If this was one of the "good old boy graphics heavy clan" this discussion wouldn't be taking place.

    I would imagine that most of the people voting don't speak English and are using some sort of template created by an English speaking user. I don't think they are cheating by voting multiple times.
    Well said. It's a bit ironic isn't it?

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  • Xelation
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    Originally posted by AWS
    IMO it fits in the category "too graphics heavy and slow loading" and you all know I loathe slow loading graphics laden sites.
    no one said anything about "heavy graphic sites"... this also has nothing to do with "heavy graphic sites".... I personally think that rallying is going on because of one reason.. they can post a thread on their site without us knowing anything because none of us speak arabic. thats my personally opinion.

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  • AWS
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    I don't see anything fishy at all. What I see is a non-English support site that is rallying it's Arabic vbulletin licensed users to vote for that site. Since the majority of the users of that site don't speak English they come here and quote what the first English speaking user posted. This discussion wouldn't even be taking place if they had registered here and just voted without posting.
    Read what alkahf had to say. There are 4000 registered Arabic users of vbulletin that go to that site for support in their native language and only took time to register here to pay the site back for the support it gives them.
    If it's any consolation I wouldn't and didn't vote for that site. IMO it fits in the category "too graphics heavy and slow loading" and you all know I loathe slow loading graphics laden sites.
    Last edited by AWS; Fri 8 Aug '03, 5:27pm.

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  • alkahf
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    Okay I shall try a clarification what no one is able clarification until now .
    Then the fatigue of the talk a squint mature the subject an agreement between several friends , and he is not from reasonable that a person does the voting and he has not one post here previously
    I hope for the excuse in the first instance for the evil of the words because I employ a translator. http://www.cimos.com/tradnet.htm
    ++++
    If we saw now in the countries what do we find ?
    vbulletin france
    vbulletin germany
    vbulletin nl
    vbulletin japan
    vbulletin ru
    etc...

    But we shall not find for example: vbulletin usa
    why?
    bicaus here all support in english ans all american and engalnd speak english.

    now here may be you find 10 and may be maximum 20 arab wrtiting some time.
    but do you know how many arabic site used vBulletin ?
    i told you
    there is more than 4000 sites and.
    but where they are ?
    why they didn't write here?
    that is simple to answer..
    we have about 30 arabic sites support vbulletin in arabic.
    then you will not see here many arab..
    why they coming here and try to translate every post to arabic to understand it when they can ask in other arabic site in them lang and take the answer in arabic.
    so they didn't registered here yet.
    but any way we know every one has License he has right to register here bicause www.vbulletin.com for all Irrespective of the language or the nationality.
    please don't forget that...
    If you write here 3 years ago thats good but who register today He has the breath of the bills of rights which is to you and the breath of the assignments is on him.

    i think the same about german costumer or france or russian etc...
    They don't coming here to ask any thing when they have support in them language..
    but i am sure if vBulletin france log to this competition..
    you eill see new frensh coming here and said this good and this bad ...

    why ?
    bicaus The french person is capable of passing judgment on a position he utters his language more than you able .

    do you bellive that I don't know 50% who is who did the voting for my site here ??

    Finally I ask you not to mock anymore that one of them don't understand the English ...

    If you jump for covetous only by the victory and despite everything ..
    Then I ask everybody don't vote my site more, and voting an another signed slowness.
    then this sleeve from the sarcasm is enough until now ..
    Blessed on you the victory from now on .
    Thanks

    alkahf
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  • d2alio
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    Originally posted by AWS
    I find it increasingly funny that the ones shouting the loudest are the same ones that buddy up to nominate a friends site and then rally support for that forum when the vote starts.
    Without mentioning any names you know how it goes. Member A comes on and nominates friend X or designer Y's customers site. Member B says "yea that one rocks, I second.". Member C , "I third it". Then a few others come along on comment on how "cool" the site is. Then when the vote comes you see the same group vote for the same site and that site wins.
    Problem this time is someone else is bringing on friends to vote and because the clans board is getting beat we are seeing allegations of cheating.
    If this was one of the "good old boy graphics heavy clan" this discussion wouldn't be taking place.

    I would imagine that most of the people voting don't speak English and are using some sort of template created by an English speaking user. I don't think they are cheating by voting multiple times.
    I won't deny what you're saying, but if you can't realize that something is definitely fishy with this month's nominations then I can't say anything further.

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